let's assume president obama is reelected to the fiscal cliff. give us what you think is possible. >> okay. as you know, just to put it in context, we are at a place where in -- in order to raise the debt ceiling the republican agreed to -- well, everybody agreed to but the republicans all voted for, including the leadership a plan where we would have a super committee which would reduce the deficit by x amount of dollars and if not, we would go to a place where there would be a firewall between five and a half billion -- $500 billion, defense, domestic, just to put it in -- >> rose: right. >> not the best way to go about it, we should have been able to do it in the super committee but in order to do that, you have to have revenue. now, all of these people, the ceos -- >> rose: all say you need revenue -- >> all missing in action. no they are wonderful on that score but all missing in action when this step was being amassed. >> rose: in other words they needed to lean on people to say we can't do this without more revenue? >> right. and some of t